http://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&feed=atom&action=historyJMSpock - Revision history2024-03-29T01:17:49ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.36.2http://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&diff=26683&oldid=prevTed C: /* A Death Star is Easier to Construct Than a Starship */2015-02-06T14:56:58Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">A Death Star is Easier to Construct Than a Starship</span></span></p>
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</table>Ted Chttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&diff=13361&oldid=prevTed C at 15:00, 6 March 20092009-03-06T15:00:57Z<p></p>
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</table>Ted Chttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&diff=6743&oldid=prevCoiler1 at 23:21, 16 March 20082008-03-16T23:21:36Z<p></p>
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</table>Coiler1http://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&diff=6103&oldid=prevDarth Servo: /* Star Wars ships run on "diesel fusion" */2008-02-25T01:22:24Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Star Wars ships run on "diesel fusion"</span></span></p>
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</table>Darth Servohttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&diff=6100&oldid=prevDarth Servo: /* Star Wars ships run on "diesel fusion" */2008-02-25T00:58:24Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Star Wars ships run on "diesel fusion"</span></span></p>
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</table>Darth Servohttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&diff=4735&oldid=prevDarth Servo: /* Star Wars ships run on "diesel fusion" */2008-01-24T09:22:13Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Star Wars ships run on "diesel fusion"</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In fact, larger starbases have never demonstrated any capability to move at either sublight or faster-than-light speeds, nor have they actually demonstrated any weapon or shield capabilities. Furthermore, DS9 was not even built by the Federation, making it a red herring concerning the capabilities of Federation starbases.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In fact, larger starbases have never demonstrated any capability to move at either sublight or faster-than-light speeds, nor have they actually demonstrated any weapon or shield capabilities. Furthermore, DS9 was not even built by the Federation, making it a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Logical fallacy|</ins>red herring<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>concerning the capabilities of Federation starbases.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a final act of desperation he tries to use their supposed "massive medical facilities", which have never been shown, as a justification for comparing Federation starbases to Federation ships.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a final act of desperation he tries to use their supposed "massive medical facilities", which have never been shown, as a justification for comparing Federation starbases to Federation ships<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. How having medical facilities or any of the other facilities mentioned (construction, refit or repair) makes something a starship is a mystery known only to JMSpock. Starships may indeed have such facilities but no sane person would try and argue they constitute a ''defining characteristic'' of a starship</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is also a perfect example of double standards, since JMSpock argued that the Death Star can '''not''' be used as an example of a starship, even though it demonstrated all the outward characteristics of a starship, while at the same time insisting that Federation starbases '''can''', even though they have never demonstrated anything but the ability to float in space.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is also a perfect example of double standards, since JMSpock argued that the Death Star can '''not''' be used as an example of a starship, even though it demonstrated all the outward characteristics of a starship, while at the same time insisting that Federation starbases '''can''', even though they have never demonstrated anything but the ability to float in space.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>JMSpock interprets these statements as there being a range of four days to three weeks for evacuation ships to arrive, instead of the three weeks being the lower limit that it clearly is. He defends his position claiming that any other ships would have severely hindered their operations elsewhere. Apparently Spock thinks cataloging gaseous anomalies is more important than 15,000 lives. He insists that the Federation could have gotten ships there in under three weeks but -- because it would take over four days -- it was a "non-viable option", even though the three weeks for the colony ship was just as "non-viable".</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>JMSpock interprets these statements as there being a range of four days to three weeks for evacuation ships to arrive, instead of the three weeks being the lower limit that it clearly is. He defends his position claiming that any other ships would have severely hindered their operations elsewhere. Apparently Spock thinks cataloging gaseous anomalies is more important than 15,000 lives. He insists that the Federation could have gotten ships there in under three weeks but -- because it would take over four days -- it was a "non-viable option", even though the three weeks for the colony ship was just as "non-viable".</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Note: It might be arguable that, in three weeks, the Federation could not get any other ships to the area that were ''capable of evacuating 15,000 colonists without using transporters'', but that doesn't seem to be JMSpock's argument.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Note: It might be arguable that, in three weeks, the Federation could not get any other ships to the area that were ''capable of evacuating 15,000 colonists without using transporters'', but that doesn't seem to be JMSpock's argument<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. Furthermore, the episode explicitly states that the Enterprise working alone could evacuate the 15,000 people in only 32 days. Getting another ship there within the four days might not save all the colonists but saving even another hundred or two is certainly preferable to letting them die. But JMSpock seems to think its either 'save them all or save none of them'. Unfortunately, such black-and-white thinking is typical of the [[versus]] [[trektard]]</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Darth Servohttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=JMSpock&diff=4680&oldid=prevTed C: /* The Death Star Isn't a Starship */2008-01-17T03:38:08Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">The Death Star Isn't a Starship</span></span></p>
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