http://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Darth+Ruinus&feedformat=atomImperial Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T20:24:54ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.36.2http://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Size_of_the_SW_Galaxy&diff=8276Size of the SW Galaxy2008-07-07T23:14:27Z<p>Darth Ruinus: One of the links didnt work, trying to fix it.</p>
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<div>==A Million Worlds==<br />
Several sources have described the [[Galactic Empire]] at its height as controlling approximately a million worlds<ref>among them, the novelization of ''[[Star Wars: A New Hope]]''</ref>. Using this information and scaling in accordance with data on the Chommell sector, one can obtain some startling data.<br />
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"[Naboo is the capital of] 36 full-member worlds and more than 40,000 settled dependencies, and 300,000,000 barren stars."<ref>[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chommell_Sector]</ref> This single sentence provides a basis for this analysis. Assuming that other sectors have at least 40,000 settled dependencies or more (not an unreasonable assumption, as the Chommell Sector is noted as being "sparsely populated") and that these figures are a typical ratio across the galaxy, these figures give us slightly more than a trillion (1,081,081,081) colonies and 8.1E12 stars in the Galactic Empire.<br />
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This figure for stars is significantly larger than that for the [[Milky Way]], and may suggest the larger size of the Galaxy Far Far Away, as well as the complete cataloging of 'brown dwarf' type objects and other stellar bodies.<br />
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==References==<br />
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[[Category:SW Size]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Star_Destroyers&diff=8175Star Destroyers2008-07-01T01:14:36Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Star destroyer</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Star destroyer]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Hypermatter_reactor&diff=8174Hypermatter reactor2008-07-01T01:12:14Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: Hypermatter reactors are reactor cores that function by annihilating hypermatter to generate massive amounts of power. ==Operation== Hypermatter was a form of matter that existed in [[h...</p>
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<div>Hypermatter reactors are reactor cores that function by annihilating hypermatter to generate massive amounts of power. <br />
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==Operation==<br />
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Hypermatter was a form of matter that existed in [[hyperspace]] and was essentially tachyonic in nature. Trapped inside the realspace of the hypermatter reactors, it was annihilated as it reached infinite speeds.<br />
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==Uses==<br />
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Hypermatter reactors were found in almost all manner of hyperspace capable spacecraft, from the hyperdrive rings used by some starfighters during the Clone Wars, to the Imperial Star Destroyers. The Death Star models were powered by the largest hypermatter reactors ever built.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Acclamator-class&diff=7281Acclamator-class2008-04-18T19:12:14Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Added the figures from the ICS</p>
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<div>The '''''Acclamator''-class Star Destroyer''', also known as the '''Republic Assault Ship''', is a troop transport ship built to provide the secretly-developed [[Grand Army of the Republic|clone army]] with interstellar transportation and space-based support.<br />
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==Specifications==<br />
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;Length<br />
:752 meters<br />
;Manufacturer<br />
:Rothana Heavy Engineering <br />
;Weapons<br />
:12 quad [[turbolaser]] turrets: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)<br />
:24 laser cannons: Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)<br />
:4 missile/torpedo tubes<br />
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;Other Technical Data<br />
:Sublight acceleration: 3500G<br />
:Operational range: 250,000 light-years (before refueling)<br />
:Shield heat dissipation: 70 trillion GW peak<br />
:Reactor power: 200 trillion GW max<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/republicassaultship/index.html Republic Assault Ship] on StarWars.com<br />
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[[Category:SW Starships]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Kuat_Drive_Yards&diff=7192Talk:Kuat Drive Yards2008-04-14T04:44:32Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: BTW, if anyone has the time, can they past the images of Kuat and Kuat Drive Yards? I would do it myself but I dont know how to do it. -- Darth Ruinus 9:43 PM PT April 13, 2008</p>
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<div>BTW, if anyone has the time, can they past the images of Kuat and Kuat Drive Yards? I would do it myself but I dont know how to do it. -- [[Darth Ruinus]] 9:43 PM PT April 13, 2008</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Executors&diff=7191Executors2008-04-14T04:42:56Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Executor-class</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Executor-class]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=TIE_fighters&diff=7189TIE fighters2008-04-14T04:41:44Z<p>Darth Ruinus: I always mess up redirect, sorry.</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[TIE fighter]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=TIE_fighters&diff=7188TIE fighters2008-04-14T04:40:54Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: #REDIRECT TIE fighter</p>
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<div> #REDIRECT [[TIE fighter]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Kuat_Drive_Yards&diff=7187Kuat Drive Yards2008-04-14T04:40:27Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: ==Kuat Drive Yards== Kuat Drive Yards is the largest military vehicle construction corpotation in the galaxy, founded in the early days of the Galactic Republic and based in the Kaut ...</p>
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<div>==Kuat Drive Yards==<br />
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Kuat Drive Yards is the largest military vehicle construction corpotation in the galaxy, founded in the early days of the [[Galactic Republic]] and based in the Kaut System.<br />
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==The Products and Yards Themselves==<br />
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Kuat Drive Yards' products ranged from the tiny one man [[TIE fighters]], the hulking [[AT-ATs]], planetary defense turbolasers and the mighty [[Executors]]. Being the largest shipbuilding corporation in the galaxy, and a corporation almost as old as the [[Republic]] itself, it was able to afford massive shipyards. The first shipyard, a massive ring that encircled the entire planet of Kuat itself is called the Orbital Array, which housed the more important shipbuilding faciliites. Farther out where various other facilities, including a belt made up of various shipbuilding facilities which surrounded the entire Kuat system. These facilities made up for the most of Kuat Drive Yards' constructions.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:Untitled.jpg&diff=7186File:Untitled.jpg2008-04-14T04:31:44Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>The planet Kuat, and its Orbital Array shipyard.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:Untitled.jpg&diff=7185File:Untitled.jpg2008-04-14T04:30:31Z<p>Darth Ruinus: A picture of the planet Kuat, showing its primary shipyard facilities. Got this pick from Wookiepedia.</p>
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<div>A picture of the planet Kuat, showing its primary shipyard facilities. Got this pick from Wookiepedia.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Vehrec&diff=6859User talk:Vehrec2008-03-26T05:03:22Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: On the SW galaxy size page, how did you get the number "1,081,081,081" ? Also, thats a billion, not a trillion. I'm having troulbe seeing if there is some math involved that I dont know ab...</p>
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<div>On the SW galaxy size page, how did you get the number "1,081,081,081" ? Also, thats a billion, not a trillion. I'm having troulbe seeing if there is some math involved that I dont know about or if it was just a simple mistake. Because if I get 51,000,000 (the lower limit of colonies the Empire has) and multiply it by 40,000 (the number of colonies/dependencies that Naboo has) then I get 2,040,000,000,000 which is a trillion, 2 trillion and a bit more to be more specific. Im just confused here. --[[Darth Ruinus]] 10:02 PM Pacific Time Tuesday, March 25, 2008</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Size_of_the_SW_Galaxy&diff=6857Size of the SW Galaxy2008-03-26T04:58:34Z<p>Darth Ruinus: /* A Million Worlds */</p>
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<div>==A Million Worlds==<br />
Several sources have described the [[Galactic Empire]] at its height as controlling approximately a million worlds<ref>among them, the novelization of ''[[Star Wars: A New Hope]]''</ref>. Using this information and scaling in accordance with data on the Chommell sector, one can obtain some startling data.<br />
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"[Naboo is the capital of] 36 full-member worlds and more than 40,000 settled dependencies, and 300,000,000 barren stars."<ref>[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chommell_Sector|Chommell Sector]</ref> This single sentence provides a basis for this analysis. Assuming that other sectors have at least 40,000 settled dependencies or more (not an unreasonable assumption, as the Chommell Sector is noted as being "sparsely populated") and that these figures are a typical ratio across the galaxy, these figures give us slightly more than a trillion (1,081,081,081) colonies and 8.1E12 stars in the Galactic Empire.<br />
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This figure for stars is significantly larger than that for the [[Milky Way]], and may suggest the larger size of the Galaxy Far Far Away, as well as the complete cataloging of 'brown dwarf' type objects and other stellar bodies.<br />
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==References==<br />
<references /><br />
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[[Category:SW Size]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Yavin_IV&diff=6576Yavin IV2008-03-05T20:17:01Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: Yavin IV, is one of the 26 moons that orbited the gas giant known as Yavin Prime. Yavin IV, along with Yavin VII and Yavin XIII are the only habitable moons of Yavin Prime. Though Yavin IV...</p>
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<div>Yavin IV, is one of the 26 moons that orbited the gas giant known as Yavin Prime. Yavin IV, along with Yavin VII and Yavin XIII are the only habitable moons of Yavin Prime. Though Yavin IV is covered in jungle and rainforests, and remote and relatively unknown, various important events have taken place on the small moon, serving as the home of various Sith and Jedi temples, the Rebellion's base, and various battlegrounds during the Galactic Civil War and the Yuuzhan Vong War later on.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Starfighter&diff=4974Starfighter2008-02-01T05:57:17Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Put into Science fiction category</p>
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<div>Starfigthers are vehicles commonly found in science fiction. Usually being single manned, armed with guided and unguided weaponry, agile and fast, they are the science fiction equivalent to modern day jet fighters.<br />
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==Practicality==<br />
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As was discussed at [http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3x.html#fighters| Atomic Rocket] and at this [http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=116693| Stardestroyer.net] thread, starfighters are probably not a logical vehicle to use in space combat, as they have no real advantages that a larger ship has doesn't already have.<br />
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==See==<br />
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*[[A-wing]]<br />
*[[B-wing]]<br />
*[[X-wing]]<br />
*[[Y-wing]]<br />
*[[TIE fighter]]<br />
*[[Missile Boat]]<br />
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[[Category:Science Fiction]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Starfighter&diff=4973Starfighter2008-02-01T05:54:37Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Starfighter page ( I think I got all of them)</p>
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<div>Starfigthers are vehicles commonly found in science fiction. Usually being single manned, armed with guided and unguided weaponry, agile and fast, they are the science fiction equivalent to modern day jet fighters.<br />
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==Practicality==<br />
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As was discussed at [http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3x.html#fighters| Atomic Rocket] and at this [http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=116693| Stardestroyer.net] thread, starfighters are probably not a logical vehicle to use in space combat, as they have no real advantages that a larger ship has doesn't already have.<br />
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==See==<br />
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*[[A-wing]]<br />
*[[B-wing]]<br />
*[[X-wing]]<br />
*[[Y-wing]]<br />
*[[TIE fighter]]<br />
*[[Missile Boat]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Weapon&diff=4972Talk:Weapon2008-02-01T05:16:47Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: "Some weapons are memetic and attack ideas instead of actual things." Nice. Is there a propoganda page? We could put that in there too. --Darth Ruinus 9:15 PM January 31, 2008 (Pacifi...</p>
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<div>"Some weapons are memetic and attack ideas instead of actual things."<br />
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Nice. Is there a propoganda page? We could put that in there too. --[[Darth Ruinus]] 9:15 PM January 31, 2008 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Weapon&diff=4970Weapon2008-02-01T04:41:34Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Deleted the second "Weapons" title</p>
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<div>Weapons are objects that are used to harm, kill or destroy people or objects.<br />
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Weapons range from sharp sticks to large planet destroying superweapons.<br />
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==See==<br />
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*[[Railgun]]<br />
*[[Directed-energy weapon]]<br />
*[[Superweapon]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Weapon&diff=4969Weapon2008-02-01T04:40:58Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Weapons page (short)</p>
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<div>==Weapons==<br />
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Weapons are objects that are used to harm, kill or destroy people or objects.<br />
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Weapons range from sharp sticks to large planet destroying superweapons.<br />
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==See==<br />
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*[[Railgun]]<br />
*[[Directed-energy weapon]]<br />
*[[Superweapon]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tjhairball&diff=4782Tjhairball2008-01-25T08:28:37Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Some of the grammar errors were just bugging me. --Darth Ruinus 01-24-08 12:27 AM Pacific Time</p>
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<div>Name: tjhairball<br />
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Title: mindless scooter cockgoblin<br />
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Period of Activity: Joined: 20 Jun 2004 - last post: Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:01 am<br />
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Affiliations: rabid trekkie, darkstar acolyte, believed to be "BigHairyMountainMan" on various other forums.<br />
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Description: Another line of the darkstar fanwhores and trekwankers. There is nothing too notable about him, he once acted extremely condescending by calling his first worthless post on here an 'intelligence test'. Afterwards he was quickly titled, as the mindless scooter cockgoblin became a standard label for rabid trekkies espousing darkstar's site as godly. His latest rantings was a pathetic attempt to prove he has more of an education than Mike Wong.<br />
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== Greatest Hits ==<br />
* [http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=47946&highlight= ISD: Shields Stronger than Constitution]<br />
* [http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=48224&highlight= a note on shields]<br />
* [http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=116285 tjhairball's big education bluff]<br />
* [http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=116345 tjhairball whining about his bluff being called]<br />
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[[Category:Trolls]]<br />
[[Category:SDN Trolls]]<br />
[[Category:Mindless Scooter Cockgoblins]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Kamino&diff=4335Kamino2007-12-30T19:16:21Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Added some important events that took place here. Battle of Kamino I and II, and the uprising</p>
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<div>Kamino is a water covered planet located in Wild Space, home to the Kaminoan race, and also the planet that produced the first batch of clones that would become the Grand Army of the Republic.<br />
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==Creating the Clone Army==<br />
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The original order placed for the clone army was at the request of Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas, in 32 BBY. The clone army would have probably been known to the rest of the galaxy, had [[Count Dooku]] not killed him. <br />
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[[Count Dooku]] then went on to recruit Jango Fett to be the template for the clone army, who only agreed on the condition that the Kaminoans make him an unalterned clone, Boba Fett.<br />
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==Clone Wars==<br />
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The planet was attack twice during the Clone Wars, the first attack occuring two months after the Battle fo Geonosis, and the second attack occuring 31 months after the Battle of Geonosis. Both battles ended in [[Republic]] victory.<br />
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==Imperial Era==<br />
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During the rule of the Galactic Empire, the planet was under careful observation by the [[Emperor]], making sure that the cloning capabiliites of the planet would stay under Imperial control. This predictably upset some of the Kaminoans, thus leading to the creation of a small batch of "anti-trooper" clones, clone soldiers brought up to specifically fight the Empire. An Imperial force, led by Boba Fett, was tasked to supress this uprising and bring the cloning facilities under Imperial rule. <br />
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After the battle, which ended in an Imperial victory, the Emperor decided to diversify the Stormtrooper ranks, using different clone templates and even birth born soldiers.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Kamino&diff=4334Kamino2007-12-30T08:20:18Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: Kamino is a water covered planet located in Wild Space, home to the Kaminoan race, and also the planet that produced the first batch of clones that would become the Grand Army of the Repub...</p>
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<div>Kamino is a water covered planet located in Wild Space, home to the Kaminoan race, and also the planet that produced the first batch of clones that would become the Grand Army of the Republic.<br />
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==Creating the Clone Army==<br />
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The original order placed for the clone army was at the request of Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas, in 32 BBY. The clone army would have probably been known to the rest of the galaxy, had [[Count Dooku]] not killed him. <br />
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[[Count Dooku]] then went on to recruit Jango Fett to be the template for the clone army, who only agreed on the condition that the Kaminoans make him an unalterned clone, Boba Fett.<br />
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==Clone Wars==<br />
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The planet was attack twice during the Clone Wars, the first attack occuring two months after the Battle fo Geonosis, and the second attack occuring 31 months after the Battle of Geonosis.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Starbase&diff=4333Starbase2007-12-30T07:57:03Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: A starbase is a facility, located in space, that serves as everything from military base to a hospital.</p>
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<div>A starbase is a facility, located in space, that serves as everything from military base to a hospital.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Shield&diff=3873Shield2007-12-11T19:06:31Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Got the code wrong :P</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Shields]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Shield&diff=3871Shield2007-12-11T19:05:12Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: REDIRECT # Shields</p>
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<div>REDIRECT # [[Shields]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Minimalism&diff=3869Minimalism2007-12-11T18:59:55Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Evacuations was spelled wrong.</p>
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<div>==What is Minimalism?==<br />
'''Minimalism''' is the use of numbers that seem absurdly low for the situation/universe. This is a common brain-bug, and one such example of minimalism run amok is is the so-called "3 million troopers" franchise decision. In a galaxy with at least a million worlds as part of the primary political entity, 3 million soldiers are entirely insufficient to fight a war on a pan-galactic scale. Other examples include the 200 vessel '[[Katana fleet|Katana]]' fleet in the ''[[Thrawn]]'' Trilogy, and the numbers provided for the majority of the battles during the [[Yuuzhan Vong]] invasion.<br />
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==Why is this important?==<br />
While one could never call a space opera "realistic" certain things are expected. Tens of millions of men and women were mobilized during WW2, and no matter the level of technology, a certain number of "boots on the ground" would be required for any successful occupation.<br />
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==Why do EU authors prefer minimalist stories?==<br />
In the decision to concentrate on a handful of characters in the SW franchise, most EU authors seemed to have opt to minimalize the importance of the greater universe. After all, with trillions of people out there it's hard to argue that a smuggler and a farmboy(even if he is a Jedi) are the be-all, end-all to everything important that happens. <br />
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Alternatively, some authors may be simply be unable to write to the numbers. Most EU material has been written during the immediate Post-Cold War Era of Operation Desert Storm and the operations in the Balkans, and the common layperson has come to equate high tech militaries with a minimal amount of ground troops. Whatever their talents may be, most EU authors are laypeople who very rarely, if ever, give much thought as to how the military really works. <br />
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==The Credentials of Karen Traviss==<br />
Karen Traviss, an EU author known for her "Republic Commando" books, is among the worst offenders. She in the past has attempted to present her previous job with the Royal Navy Auxiliary Service and the Territorial Army as credentials for why her outline of the force structure for the Grand Army of the Republic is acceptable from a military point of view. The RNXS appears to have operated in a FEMA-like capacity for evacuations, and her description of her [http://www.strangehorizons.com/2006/20060327/traviss-int-a.shtml duties] indicates that she was a deck seaman. In the United States Navy these are the least qualified personnel, not trusting even of being a cook. She then served "Briefly" in the Territorial Army as a media specialist. As she did not serve in a signifigant capacity in a combat arms branch, her military credentials cannot be reasonably used to justify her proposed Grand Army of the Republic force structure.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category_talk:Superweapons&diff=3759Category talk:Superweapons2007-12-09T18:43:08Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: In the article unders superweapons, why is superweapons listed there again? --Darth Ruinus 10:41 AM Pacific time</p>
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<div>In the article unders superweapons, why is superweapons listed there again? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 10:41 AM Pacific time</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tie_Defender&diff=3387Tie Defender2007-11-27T01:44:44Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to TIE Fighter</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[TIE Fighter]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Superweapon&diff=3358Talk:Superweapon2007-11-25T20:32:01Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Just some Superweapons trouble</p>
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<div>OK, fuck Im having trouble with this Superweapons thing.<br />
The problem is, there are various links to superweapons, but they dont lead anywhere. But the thing is, there IS a superweapons page, it can be accesses by typing in "Category:Superweapons" but for some reason, my redirecting doesnt lead you there properly, help please? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 12:30 PM Nov 25, 2007 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Superweapon&diff=3357Superweapon2007-11-25T20:23:32Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: REDIRECT# Category:Superweapons</p>
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<div>REDIRECT# [[Category:Superweapons]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Some_who_insist_that_the_ICS_is_not_canon&diff=2631Some who insist that the ICS is not canon2007-11-14T02:12:26Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Trektard</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Trektard]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Versus&diff=2630Versus2007-11-14T02:11:57Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>'''Versus''' usually, but not always, refers to the debate between [[SW]] and [[ST]]. Covering such topics such as: Which franchise has faster ships? Which franchise has better technology? Which side would win in an total war scenario? <br />
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The '''Versus''' debate has been dead for sometime, the [[ICS]] settling the debate quite thoroughly, although there are [[some who insist that the ICS is not canon]], or is flawed.<br />
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===Other Versus===<br />
The Versus, however, is not limited to only [[SW]] vs [[ST]], but can be applied to any matching between any science fiction franchises, from fairly balanced matches, such as Firefly versus neo Battlestar Galactica to outrageously unfair matches, such as [[Star Trek]] versus the [[Xeelee]].</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Battle_of_Endor&diff=2629Battle of Endor2007-11-14T01:55:45Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Just changed the structure abit, and corrected some grammatical errors.</p>
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<div>In 4 ABY, after learning of the Death Star II's existence and its state of construction, the Rebel Alliance formed plans for the assault of the <br />
Death Star II and its destruction above the forest moon of Endor.<br />
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==The Battle Plan==<br />
The Rebellion planned to destroy the second Death Star in a manner reminiscent of the first Death Star's destruction. However, a major obstacle to this plan was the existence of the shield around the Death Star II that was being projected from a base on Endor. As such, a plan was made to deal with this, it called for:<br />
*A group of commandos would be inserted onto the moon and destroy the shield projector. <br />
*After the removal of the shield, the Rebel Alliance fleet would be free to engage the Death Star and destroy it, again with snubfighters being the main method of destruction. <br />
*Rebel starfighters would fly through the superstructure of the Death Star II and use concussion missiles and proton torpedoes to detonate the core, causing a reaction that would destroy the Death Star II. <br />
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==How it actually occured==<br />
However, they did not know that the Emperor had planned the leakage of the plans and existence of the Death Star II and was preparing a trap for the Rebel Alliance.<br />
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The commandos sent to the moon's surface, led by Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia, were allowed to land by the Imperial forces in orbit around Endor's moon. On the ground, however, they met fierce opposition, and only destroyed the shield generator with the help of the indigenous Ewoks.<br />
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In orbit, the situation was not what the Alliance expected. Because of the unexpected opposition on the surface of the moon, the shield was not lowered when the Alliance fleet arrived in system. Also, the Emperor had gathered many of the ships from the surrounding sectors and was waiting for the Rebel fleet. Worst of all, the information the Bothans obtained about the [[superlaser]] was false; it was fully operational. The Death Star II was used to target the Alliance capital ships, forcing them to engage the fleet of Star Destroyers at point blank. <br />
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With the eventual lowering of the shields around the Death Star II, Lando Calrissian, Wedge Antilles, Tycho Celchu, and many other Alliance pilots were able to enter the superstructure of the Death Star II. Lando and Wedge were able to detonate the core, resulting in the destruction of the spacestation.<br />
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With the Death of the Emperor at Darth Vader's hand, and the loss of the Death Star II and ''Executor'', the Imperial fleet became disorganized, and many captains ordered their ships into a retreat. The Battle of Endor had been won by the Rebel Alliance and a crushing blow had been delivered to the [[Empire]].</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=TIE_Bomber&diff=2294TIE Bomber2007-11-12T20:42:52Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to TIE Fighter</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[TIE Fighter]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:TIE/In&diff=1872Talk:TIE/In2007-11-10T06:00:27Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>* Um, what's a TIE/In (capital i)? I think you're confusing this with the [http://www.theforce.net/swtc/tie.html#tieln TIE/ln] (lowecase L), which is the standard TIE fighter seen in the movies. -- [[User:Mad|Mad]] 15:13, 9 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Fuck, you are right :P What do we do? -[[Darth Ruinus]] 1:16 PM 11-09-07 (Pacific Time)<br />
* Both this and the "Tie interceptor" should be deleted as soon as someone with the appropriate rights can get to it, I suppose (since "Tie interceptor" is mis-capitalized anyway). -- [[User:Mad|Mad]]<br />
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* We could simply make this page redirect to the main TIE article. -[[Darth Ruinus]] 9:59 PM 11-09-07 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Thermal_Detonator&diff=1781Thermal Detonator2007-11-09T20:19:30Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Thermal Detonators</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Thermal Detonators]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=SW_Infantry_offense&diff=1780SW Infantry offense2007-11-09T20:18:09Z<p>Darth Ruinus: /* Handheld Explosives */</p>
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<div>==Star Wars Infantry Weapons==<br />
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===Ranged Weapons===<br />
*[[Blaster]]<br />
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*Grenade</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:TIE/In&diff=1779Talk:TIE/In2007-11-09T20:16:20Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>* Um, what's a TIE/In (capital i)? I think you're confusing this with the [http://www.theforce.net/swtc/tie.html#tieln TIE/ln] (lowecase L), which is the standard TIE fighter seen in the movies. -- [[User:Mad|Mad]] 15:13, 9 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Fuck, you are right :P What do we do? -[[Darth Ruinus]] 1:16 PM 11-09-07 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:TIE_fighter&diff=1772Talk:TIE fighter2007-11-09T20:09:03Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>Karrde, do you want to make a central 'TIE Fighter' page that links to all the sub-variants? I'm doing the same thing with a main 'ISD' page atm. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Sounds like a good idea. [[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 16:35, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
**Er, I was suggesting you create a new 'TIE fighter' page, then use it to link to your already extant 'TIE/fc' page. I hope I wasn't unclear, and you just figure a whole page per variant was excessive (which it probably is). :# Anyway, SWTC has great info on TIE fighters, variants, and EU apperances, so I'd recommend you go have a look. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:39, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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I thought you meant a single page with a list of TIE fighter varients? I'm still rather new at this... [[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 16:45, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
*Well, it's a wiki, we can always clean up the format later: adding content is important, so keep up the good work. :) --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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I assume that link you posted in the article was meant to go here :p. Anyway I'm looking at the swtc for the info now but thanks anyway.[[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 17:15, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Added a couple of general descriptions for some entries. I don't really know how much info is wanted for each entry so the ones there now could act as placeholders or something?[[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 18:00, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
*Um, that -was- a link to SWTC? Either way. :) And yeah, don't worry too much about polish or huge amounts of content yet. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 18:03, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*Im very sure that the TIE/In picture is wrong, the one above the fc model. I think a normal TIE fighter is pictured, and there are 2 TIE Interceptor entries? (Goddamn, I didnt realize there were so many TIE models :P) EDIT: I made a TIE/In article, should I just make all links to the TIE/In redirect to this page or leave the article as it is? -[[Darth Ruinus]] 1:04 PM 11-09-07 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:TIE_fighter&diff=1771Talk:TIE fighter2007-11-09T20:04:52Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>Karrde, do you want to make a central 'TIE Fighter' page that links to all the sub-variants? I'm doing the same thing with a main 'ISD' page atm. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:33, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Sounds like a good idea. [[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 16:35, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
**Er, I was suggesting you create a new 'TIE fighter' page, then use it to link to your already extant 'TIE/fc' page. I hope I wasn't unclear, and you just figure a whole page per variant was excessive (which it probably is). :# Anyway, SWTC has great info on TIE fighters, variants, and EU apperances, so I'd recommend you go have a look. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:39, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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I thought you meant a single page with a list of TIE fighter varients? I'm still rather new at this... [[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 16:45, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
*Well, it's a wiki, we can always clean up the format later: adding content is important, so keep up the good work. :) --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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I assume that link you posted in the article was meant to go here :p. Anyway I'm looking at the swtc for the info now but thanks anyway.[[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 17:15, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Added a couple of general descriptions for some entries. I don't really know how much info is wanted for each entry so the ones there now could act as placeholders or something?[[User:Wild Karrde|Wild Karrde]] 18:00, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
*Um, that -was- a link to SWTC? Either way. :) And yeah, don't worry too much about polish or huge amounts of content yet. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 18:03, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*Im very sure that the TIE/In picture is wrong, the one above the fc model. I think a normal TIE fighter is pictured, and there are 2 TIE Interceptor entries? (Goddamn, I didnt realize there were so many TIE models :P) -[[Darth Ruinus]] 1:04 PM 11-09-07 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tie_interceptor&diff=1763Tie interceptor2007-11-09T19:57:49Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to TIE/In</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[TIE/In]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Blaster_cannons&diff=1762Blaster cannons2007-11-09T19:57:01Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Blaster</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Blaster]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=TIE/In&diff=1761TIE/In2007-11-09T19:56:33Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: The '''TIE/In starfighter''', also known as the '''TIE Interceptor''', is a variant of the TIE Fighter model, sporting arrow shaped wings, 4 blaster cannons, and increased maneuverabil...</p>
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<div>The '''TIE/In starfighter''', also known as the '''TIE Interceptor''', is a variant of the [[TIE Fighter]] model, sporting arrow shaped wings, 4 blaster cannons, and increased maneuverability. The TIE Interceptor is noted as being the fastest starfighters in the galaxy, equal to the A-wing.<br />
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Early models carried 4 [[blaster cannons]], with later models having 2 'chin' mounted laser cannons added.</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Imperial_Star_Destroyer&diff=1753Talk:Imperial Star Destroyer2007-11-09T19:40:03Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>Has anyone uploaded any ISD images yet? I'm planning on cribbing some from the main site. PS Tribun, should I add this to the SW starships category? --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 15:55, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
* I went ahead and added this to the SW Starships category, since the Imperial-class page isn't exactly talking about only one starship either. Also added some notes on naming from some novels. - [[User:Mad|Mad]] 16:10, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
**Thanks. I was going to split the existing I-class SD page, but thought it'd be better to create the 'general' page that links to it first, then make an I-class page specifically for that class. ST seems to have many people contributing already, so I think I'll concentrate on SW stuff for now. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Thanks, Ruinus. I don't know shit about the Tector. ## wait, did you just copy that verbatim out of Wookiepedia? Lame. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:12, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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? Fucking crap, I was trying to make it sound different, but I must be distracted because it sounds alot like what is on there. How to make it sound different? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 5:14 PM November 8, 2007 (Pacific Time)<br />
*Read the source, think about the ideas, then re-write it in your own words. Like in highschool. :) I just went to wookie to see if 'Tector' was supposed to be an 'Allegiance', and the version you posted here is almost 100% the same, which is bad. Don't feel too bad, I just realised I confused fucking Acclamators with Allegiances. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*Better? Should I change it, I mean, I stated all the important parts, but it keeps sounding like the Wookieepedia article. EDIT: BTW, the Allegiance class is a Super Star Destroyer, so, should that be put in with Star Destroyer, or a whole different category altogether? And all searched for the Dominator come up telling me that the Dominator is a name for a Victory and an Interdictor class, not a class in its own right, help? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 5:40 PM 11-08-07 (Pacific Time)<br />
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*It's better, but don't feel that you need to cut bits out. The parts from the design elements section are mostly fron SDN and SWTC, but I've rephrased them and broken them up a different way so it's not so obvious. Then again, there isn't really much info on Tector, so maybe small isn't a problem. Allegiance's are 2.2kms, apparently, so they're just oversized destroyers, not even really Star Cruisers. They can 'super' name them all they want, stupid Dark Empire, they're destroyers. :) The smaller, 'Victory-based' Interdictor isn't the same as the full-size one (which apparently only has one example, the smaller one being more common). This http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/comics/xwing/xwtpa6.jpg ain't no Victory. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:53, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*I know thats not a Victory, but looking up Dominator yielded this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dominator_%28Interdictor%29 And any other searches into this ''Dominator'' class only point to ''Dominator'' being used as a name, rather than being a class. But then again, I am suffereing from sleep deprivation, with lots of homework on the side and shit, I am probably just reading your responses wrong. --[[Darth Ruinus]] 6:14 PM 11-08-07 (Pacific Time)<br />
**No, you're right: there's no proper class name because there's only been like three of them in the comics. Maybe I should put something down for 'provisional class names' or something, which would have to include the Allegiance too. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 21:25, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*Where did the info on the ''Dominator'' apppear from? I have never heard of these ships. --[[Darth Ruinus]] 12:39 PM 11-09-07 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=ST&diff=1480ST2007-11-09T02:44:51Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Star Trek</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT[[Star Trek]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Versus&diff=1479Versus2007-11-09T02:44:37Z<p>Darth Ruinus: New page: '''Versus''' usually, but not always, refers to the debate between SW and ST. Covering such topics such as: Which franchise has faster ships? Which franchise has better technology?...</p>
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<div>'''Versus''' usually, but not always, refers to the debate between [[SW]] and [[ST]]. Covering such topics such as: Which franchise has faster ships? Which franchise has better technology? Which side would win in an total war scenario? <br />
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The '''Versus''' debate has been dead for sometime, the [[ICS]] settling the debate quite thoroughly, although there are [[some]] who insist that the ICS is not [[canon]], or is flawed.<br />
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===Other Versus===<br />
The Versus, however, is not limited to only [[SW]] vs [[ST]], but can be applied to any matching between any science fiction franchises, from fairly balanced matches, <''someone put a fair versus example here!''> to outrageously unfair matches, such as [[Star Trek]] versus the [[Xeelee]].</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=SW&diff=1476SW2007-11-09T02:36:26Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Star Wars</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT[[Star Wars]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=SW&diff=1471SW2007-11-09T02:27:52Z<p>Darth Ruinus: Redirecting to Abbreviations</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT[[Abbreviations]]</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Imperial_Star_Destroyer&diff=1464Talk:Imperial Star Destroyer2007-11-09T02:18:06Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>Has anyone uploaded any ISD images yet? I'm planning on cribbing some from the main site. PS Tribun, should I add this to the SW starships category? --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 15:55, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
* I went ahead and added this to the SW Starships category, since the Imperial-class page isn't exactly talking about only one starship either. Also added some notes on naming from some novels. - [[User:Mad|Mad]] 16:10, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
**Thanks. I was going to split the existing I-class SD page, but thought it'd be better to create the 'general' page that links to it first, then make an I-class page specifically for that class. ST seems to have many people contributing already, so I think I'll concentrate on SW stuff for now. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Thanks, Ruinus. I don't know shit about the Tector. ## wait, did you just copy that verbatim out of Wookiepedia? Lame. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:12, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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? Fucking crap, I was trying to make it sound different, but I must be distracted because it sounds alot like what is on there. How to make it sound different? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 5:14 PM November 8, 2007 (Pacific Time)<br />
*Read the source, think about the ideas, then re-write it in your own words. Like in highschool. :) I just went to wookie to see if 'Tector' was supposed to be an 'Allegiance', and the version you posted here is almost 100% the same, which is bad. Don't feel too bad, I just realised I confused fucking Acclamators with Allegiances. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*Better? Should I change it, I mean, I stated all the important parts, but it keeps sounding like the Wookieepedia article. EDIT: BTW, the Allegiance class is a Super Star Destroyer, so, should that be put in with Star Destroyer, or a whole different category altogether? And all searched for the Dominator come up telling me that the Dominator is a name for a Victory and an Interdictor class, not a class in its own right, help? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 5:40 PM 11-08-07 (Pacific Time)<br />
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*It's better, but don't feel that you need to cut bits out. The parts from the design elements section are mostly fron SDN and SWTC, but I've rephrased them and broken them up a different way so it's not so obvious. Then again, there isn't really much info on Tector, so maybe small isn't a problem. Allegiance's are 2.2kms, apparently, so they're just oversized destroyers, not even really Star Cruisers. They can 'super' name them all they want, stupid Dark Empire, they're destroyers. :) The smaller, 'Victory-based' Interdictor isn't the same as the full-size one (which apparently only has one example, the smaller one being more common). This http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/comics/xwing/xwtpa6.jpg ain't no Victory. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:53, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*I know thats not a Victory, but looking up Dominator yielded this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dominator_%28Interdictor%29 And any other searches into this ''Dominator'' class only point to ''Dominator'' being used as a name, rather than being a class. But then again, I am suffereing from sleep deprivation, with lots of homework on the side and shit, I am probably just reading your responses wrong. --[[Darth Ruinus]] 6:14 PM 11-08-07 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinushttp://www.stardestroyer.net/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Imperial_Star_Destroyer&diff=1463Talk:Imperial Star Destroyer2007-11-09T02:15:59Z<p>Darth Ruinus: </p>
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<div>Has anyone uploaded any ISD images yet? I'm planning on cribbing some from the main site. PS Tribun, should I add this to the SW starships category? --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 15:55, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
* I went ahead and added this to the SW Starships category, since the Imperial-class page isn't exactly talking about only one starship either. Also added some notes on naming from some novels. - [[User:Mad|Mad]] 16:10, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
**Thanks. I was going to split the existing I-class SD page, but thought it'd be better to create the 'general' page that links to it first, then make an I-class page specifically for that class. ST seems to have many people contributing already, so I think I'll concentrate on SW stuff for now. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 16:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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Thanks, Ruinus. I don't know shit about the Tector. ## wait, did you just copy that verbatim out of Wookiepedia? Lame. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:12, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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? Fucking crap, I was trying to make it sound different, but I must be distracted because it sounds alot like what is on there. How to make it sound different? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 5:14 PM November 8, 2007 (Pacific Time)<br />
*Read the source, think about the ideas, then re-write it in your own words. Like in highschool. :) I just went to wookie to see if 'Tector' was supposed to be an 'Allegiance', and the version you posted here is almost 100% the same, which is bad. Don't feel too bad, I just realised I confused fucking Acclamators with Allegiances. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:19, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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*Better? Should I change it, I mean, I stated all the important parts, but it keeps sounding like the Wookieepedia article. EDIT: BTW, the Allegiance class is a Super Star Destroyer, so, should that be put in with Star Destroyer, or a whole different category altogether? And all searched for the Dominator come up telling me that the Dominator is a name for a Victory and an Interdictor class, not a class in its own right, help? --[[Darth Ruinus]] 5:40 PM 11-08-07 (Pacific Time)<br />
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**It's better, but don't feel that you need to cut bits out. The parts from the design elements section are mostly fron SDN and SWTC, but I've rephrased them and broken them up a different way so it's not so obvious. Then again, there isn't really much info on Tector, so maybe small isn't a problem. Allegiance's are 2.2kms, apparently, so they're just oversized destroyers, not even really Star Cruisers. They can 'super' name them all they want, stupid Dark Empire, they're destroyers. :) The smaller, 'Victory-based' Interdictor isn't the same as the full-size one (which apparently only has one example, the smaller one being more common). This http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/comics/xwing/xwtpa6.jpg ain't no Victory. --[[User:Stark|Stark]] 20:53, 8 November 2007 (EST)<br />
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I know THATS not a Victory, but looking up Dominator yielded this:<br />
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dominator_%28Interdictor%29<br />
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And any other searches into this ''Dominator'' class only point to ''Dominator'' being used as a name, rather than being a class.<br />
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But then again, I am suffereing from sleep deprivation, with lots of homework on the side and shit, I am probably just reading your responses wrong. --[[Darth Ruinus]] 6:14 PM 11-08-07 (Pacific Time)</div>Darth Ruinus